Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Database of all Kingdom Halls?

by slipnslidemaster in

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is there a database or mailing list of all kingdom halls in the us?.

if you also had po names that would be even better.... slipnslidemaster:"it is always the best policy to tell the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar.".

- jerome k. jerome

FatFreek 2005

Hi Bats,

I just checked out your tip. Yes, it appears you can get any meeting place in the world but, as far as I can see -- one at a time. They'd probably shut you off after a dozen or so.

Len

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How do individual JW's justify Jehovah's Old Testament orders to kill little children even babies (amalekites, canaanites)?

by Daniel1555 in

in 1. samuel 15:2-3 we read jehovah's order to kill "all" amalekites.

it says "you are to put them to death, man as well as woman, child as well as infant...".

in deuteronomy 2:32-34 the israelites say about sihon.

FatFreek 2005

The Old Testament was Jehovah's learning curve.

Len

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Help with some questions on "new light"

by adjusted knowledge in

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for a future conversation i will have with my mother i need some questions answered.

otherwise i will have to search and read through jw literature and i rather not :0. what was the teaching of 1919 during 1980's and 1990's (this is when i was active and my mother became a witness)?.

what is the current teaching of 1919?.

A free download, The Great Watchtower Contradiction, may be one of your choice sources since it cites some 25 watchtower references. The Watchtower Library CD is recommended. It's an 11 minute read if you skip the supportive endnote references. Watchtower teaches that they haven't contradicted (some people call them flip-flops) themselves in their teachings but this will blow your mind, in essence, proving them a liar on that score many times over.

Len

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Why Did the Governing Body Change Their Interpretation Of Matthew 24:45-47?

by Cameron_Don in

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some have wondered if "captives of a concept" had anything to do with why the governing body changed their interpretation of the most important scripture in their theology at their annual meeting on october 6, 2012.. this is because the book places great emphasis on the societys interpretation of matthew 24:45-47 and then holds them to it while examining the organizations history to make sure that went on in its history fits their interpretation.

this comparison is essential to the societys claim to being gods organization.. their previous interpretation came from their former most imminent bible scholar president frederick franzs in his "gods kingdom of a thousand years has approached.

" their history comes from their "jehovahs witnesses proclaimers of gods kingdom.".

FatFreek 2005

I just found their annual report here, http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/events/annual-meeting-report-2012/

Here's what they say within that report about 1919:

The evidence points to the following conclusion: "The faithful and discreet slave" was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as "the faithful and discreet slave."

From that, I don't see where they've changed anything. Am I missing something here?

Len Miller

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Why Did the Governing Body Change Their Interpretation Of Matthew 24:45-47?

by Cameron_Don in

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friends

some have wondered if "captives of a concept" had anything to do with why the governing body changed their interpretation of the most important scripture in their theology at their annual meeting on october 6, 2012.. this is because the book places great emphasis on the societys interpretation of matthew 24:45-47 and then holds them to it while examining the organizations history to make sure that went on in its history fits their interpretation.

this comparison is essential to the societys claim to being gods organization.. their previous interpretation came from their former most imminent bible scholar president frederick franzs in his "gods kingdom of a thousand years has approached.

" their history comes from their "jehovahs witnesses proclaimers of gods kingdom.".

FatFreek 2005

Hi Don,

You said, "Some have wondered if "Captives of a Concept" had anything to do with why the Governing Body changed their interpretation of the most important Scripture in their theology at their Annual Meeting on October 6, 2012."

In view of the quotation that BluesBrother subsequently provided ("In 1919, a time of spiritual revival, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers from among them to be the faithful and discreet slave and appointed them over his domestics.") from a Watchtower nearly a year later (WT 2013 7/15 p22/23) something in the kitchen doesn't smell right.

Can you please provide us with a Watchtower (publication) quotation that substantiates your annual meeting reference?

Len Miller

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The dumest thing an elder ever said to me..

by new hope and happiness in

conversation with an elder...i said " did you watch due south yesterday" and he said " ive got far more important things to do".

i mean that comment of his got me to thinking and wondering, and made me see he was missing out on living..and i think that comment was the straw that broke this boys faith, and started my i dont want to be a witness anymore.

kind of wierd how a simple question opened my eyes.. and now as i write this i am watching " the rebel" a 1950s western series, and its great and its even better my 9 year old is watching with me..and there is nothing more important than being happy.. .

FatFreek 2005

Suavojr,

" That Ray Franz stated before dying 'how he was really happy, only when he was a JW'. I said to myself, WHAT????? I have to check that statement out and I went to wikipedia, from there to freeminds, JWfacts and CoC."

I just checked my electronic copy of CofC, searching the the string "happy". I, too, found no instances of "happy" that supports that statement.

Len

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The Unwitness has a positive experience Sat. 11am at McDonalds

by RayPublisher in

interview with joel the unwitness:.

http://youtu.be/bpwylueul44.

an outstanding experience of unwitnessing occurs when a former jw happens to find himself at a mcdonalds around 11am on a saturday.... does pandemonium ensue?

FatFreek 2005

Hi RayPublisher,

As a followup to my first post (and compliment) it would add a degree of credibility if you were able to tell us which of the 35,000+ McDonald's saw this unusual experience. Also, which of the 150,000 kingdom halls saw the demonstration planned for the last memorial?

Len

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The Unwitness has a positive experience Sat. 11am at McDonalds

by RayPublisher in

interview with joel the unwitness:.

http://youtu.be/bpwylueul44.

an outstanding experience of unwitnessing occurs when a former jw happens to find himself at a mcdonalds around 11am on a saturday.... does pandemonium ensue?

FatFreek 2005

A wonderful experience. Thanks for sharing. I wonder now if i was there? Where and Which McDonalds and which kingdom hall?

Len

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Jehovah's Witnesses family struck by lightning in Germany

by raymond frantz in

http://jwdoctrine.com/family-jehovahs-witnesses-struck-lightning-germany/.

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FatFreek 2005

The first paragraph of that report proceeds, "On Thursday the 15th May a family of Jehovah’s Witnesses is reported to have been injured by lightning in a violent storm in their home in Limbach-Oberfrohna, near Dresden, Germany. The entire family of five sustained injuries while their nine-year-old boy remains in hospital with more serious injuries." ...

I find it strange that the report mentions the name of this family's religion. Why is that significant in this case?

Less than professional mainstream reporting, plus an apparent translation into English -- IMHO.

Len

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My JW Mom came for an impromptu visit yesterday. It went great! :)

by Faithful Witness in

it is so nice to start actually believing that my mom wants to have a relationship with me and my kids again.

there was awhile, where it was in question, and she wasn't sure if she was supposed to associate with us or not.

i think the stand that my sister has taken against me, is actually causing my mom to start doubting whether it is a good idea to follow this cruel example of "love" as defined by the watchtower.

FatFreek 2005

Hi FW,

You said: "

"Why do they insist on calling God by his personal name, when Jesus Christ never said it?"

My mom said, "Right, Jesus called him Father." (!!!)

I told her how Miss K showed me some scriptures, where Jesus said he had come to make known his father's name, sanctify his name. I said, "But nowhere is it recorded, when Jesus told us to CALL God by his personal name. If it had been such an important instruction, then why isn't it recorded anywhere in the gospels?"

Mom said, "That's a good point..."

I said, "Jesus demonstrated how to pray, in the Lord's Prayer... 'Our Father, who art in heaven...' If anywhere he was going to tell us how to call on God, don't you think he would have said the name in that example prayer? Do you think he would have told us how to pronounce it?"

"Jehovah's Witnesses are so fixated on vindicating Jehovah's name... but Jesus didn't even call him that. What makes them think that they should be calling him that? If you go beyond what Jesus taught, then you are actually following the instructions of men. Are they following Christ's example, or the instructions of men?" My mom didn't say anything, but I think she got the piont. She looked confused."

I love it. I have been thinking these points for many years but you expressed them so well. Of course, I've been out since 1977 but I then loathed the addressing of Jehovah (by name) in public prayer (which I detest, as did Jesus). In addition, ever notice how some elders and assembly speakers address Jehovah by name, like a dozen or more times in a single prayer. Heck, I didn't even address my earthly dad by his name, Wesley. I don't remember being told by anyone to do this -- I just did it out of respect. Perhaps Jesus in his model prayer did the same -- as a model.

Len